oy. people should stop trying to argue and try to discuss.

could it be possible that christianity is going extinct in the west because of this? yes i said extinct.

whether your theology is right or not, there is no doubt that our church is going extinct. preservation isn't working. it has to change. Something must change. When 60 percent of christians don't even go to church anymore... even if we know the reasons are bad or what not, it shows there's something missing. The church should be drawing people in. A community more intimate than what can be conjured by the world, a divine power and presence of God that brings people in.

Instead all I see is people just trying to protect protect protect... if your God is so great, why do you have to protect the traditions He gave you? He called us to go out to the nations. We are stuck on the city walls when God has told us to go out and conquer.

you know, i'm sorry that what I say angers people. I'm sorry that my anger towards the institution of what we call "church" causes more anger. I'm sorry that I believe the church can be so much more than what it is now. I'm sorry that all I can do is criticize the injustice I see in the church today and its ineffectiveness in reaching my generation. Do you know how much my heart cringes as I watch MY generation walking blindly like lemmings into destruction?

I'm sorry that I desire to see unity, and that unity immediately translates to being new age. I guess that makes Jesus the leader of some cult when he asked God to make us one. It makes Paul a heretic when he made his analogy of a body to the church.

I mean to hell with it. Maybe this is all some jewish cult. Maybe this is no different, and perhaps worse than buddhism, hinduism and Islam. Maybe i've been following a sham.

I am sick of the sham. I want the real thing. That's all. That's my genuine desire. There has to be something in there that is more real than brainwashing the logic in my head and twisting the emotions in my head. Frankly, I can prove God doesn't exist just as easily as I could prove he does exist. And, no it's not because I didn't get trained in "apologetics". I was the freaking apologetics wiz kid back in the day. But those apologetics don't do a thing when all I see is hypocrisy in my own life and in the religion I follow.

man. you know what. sometimes I wish people wouldn't respond to things I say the way they respond. And the worst part is that if I had just kept my mouth shut when they were around, it wouldn't be like this.

AAAAAH. i need to stop ranting. none of this makes sense.

"if we had no church building or official day to go to church... what would happen to Christianity? is there something behind it more powerful than the cultural constructs we've built to define it? Would we still meet together? Would we worship God? Would we even believe in a God?"

I simply try to ask "what if?" and i feel like someone always has to shove a stick through my stomach.

there was something very long and intelligible here, but very bitter.

However, it's not here anymore.

well, whatever it was, everything feels clearer with a little chemical influence.

so people say the emergent/post modern church movement is based too much on criticism. They say that it is dangerous because it doesn't have its own stable doctrine. Now there's the hard part about it. The emergent/post modern church movement adamantly resists doctrinization. It abhors theology. Apologetics are useless. Therefore, there is no real way that the E/PM church movement can really prove itself to the existent mainline denominations.

However, I believe that there is a huge misconception of this movement that it wants to throw out all the old into the trash and just have nothing to replace it. I think this is slightly wrong. The E/PM church movement i believe actually has the tendency to embrace the old. It recognizes the pharisee spirit in so many traditions. It deconstructs these traditions and attempts to rediscover the true origins of the tradition- GOD. That's why there's so much re-embracing with eastern orthodox, catholocism, liturgical, etc. This generation is seeking for genuineness, not just some socio-cultural construction.

anyways, that ends my rant. I don't have time to develop this thought. This thought shall be continued.